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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states it's a

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welcome welcome welcome to the other

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show on kgra uh usually with andy

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mcgrillen and dan zadostrom but it's

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just me dan zepstrom this week again um

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hopefully i won't just leave the studio

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at the end this week though if i pretend

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that that was intentional then the

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comedic timing makes me a genius i think

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um it wasn't but i'll pretend it was uh

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just before we go on um i just want to

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say that andy's doing well i'm much

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better than he was he he's just uh you

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know just a little low energy um so he's

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on the mend um

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and yeah so he he should be back with us

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in the next week um he is doing a very

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cool interview uh this evening with

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somebody that i'll tell you guys about

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at the end um but you should all hear

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that soon as well um just before we go

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on

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manscaped uh you can get 20 off with the

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only ask me any things

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so with that let me introduce our first

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guest i should say actually before we go

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on

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that uh dave partridge

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may not be able to join us uh just he's

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having some some issues with power at

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the moment at home but that's cool

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because our guest is

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great and wonderful and and yeah it

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looks here he is there you go vinnie

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disclosure team

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hey dad there you go man i'm great i i

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had this big intro planned for you so

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i'm just going to read this

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because i kind of want to like a

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drumroll moment um

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this next gentleman blasted into the

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community from instagram and just has

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not stopped his kindness positivity and

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balanced approach to the subject is

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infectious researcher podcaster and

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surely he was a dog in a past life our

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colleague from uap media uk and our own

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channel and his own channel disclosure

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team vinnie adams wow

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how was that

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so much yeah yeah that's up there man i

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thank you man yeah you're very welcome

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so just before we we

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crack on the main portion of the show i

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thought we kind of do a recap of the

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week not a crazy amount has happened but

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choice moments right um the the main one

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it's a little convoluted the way it's

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happened usually it goes through the

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house through the center and then to the

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president but this time he's gone

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through the house to the center and then

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back again sounds like a little rings

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lot of volumes definitely man

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thing there's still some really

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it's really funny because obviously i

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on it like glued to it so i've been kind

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of feeding off you constantly um so yeah

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it jumping back and forth you know and

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to people there shouldn't be any more

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tuesday yeah and and we're looking at um

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basically no more amendments can kind of

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the congress website then and i'm sure

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doug dean johnson will be glad to look

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that it's not the best website either to

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it's not there's a lot going on to be

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fair and you know once you weighed into

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the shallow end of the political system

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in america you soon realize oh god

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there's all these moving parts and i

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don't really understand what i'm looking

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at so it kind of reflects that in a way

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um but there's a

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know set up an account you can save

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searches there um so i've just got

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basically a standing search for the few

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bills that kind of we've been following

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along any changes it will notify me same

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with anything that comes up with uap or

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loose so i don't miss anything you know

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allies but for me from the bill that

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effects stuff and the fact they're

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setting up essentially a crash retrieval

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which you know the first the first

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public one will say um

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from the uk you exactly share my

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you you get that party line all the time

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um and i can't wait for them to engage

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they they had a meeting today uh

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kathleen hicks with her accounts by here

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it doesn't say in in the report whether

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they spoke about uap but they spoke

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about defense strategies and they spoke

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about a partnership for space so

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conversation right so i hope so

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hopefully they're talking about it

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whether i mean that was impressive

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that was a press release where it came

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out on the dod website wasn't it yeah

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that's right it's pretty official stuff

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so you know if they if they're having

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twitter statements um because senator

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office will have the authority to

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one percent rule that's been spoken

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about i.e if there's even a one percent

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chance that this you know

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violates the the security of the

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airspace then it's something that they

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so i'm going to read his little

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so joining us again this week because he

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was with us last week uh fellow member

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of uap media and creator of shadows of

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your mind magazine this selfless soul

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donated an amazing prize to the raffle

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that we'll talk about at the end folks

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dave partridge how are you dave i'm

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alright how are you

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i'm good thank you we've missed you cool

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yeah good to see you mate

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yeah me too mate oh

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nightmare

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you need to parakat this time of night

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you made it you're here now

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that's that's the main thing and and

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you're all good and healthy and you know

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now andy's basically better we can we

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can tease him and say that you were

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so uh we've just been talking about uh a

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kind of a recap of the week um and

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you you've come in just as we rapping

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building that's a major step forward and

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i don't think we you know this time last

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the year fingers crossed

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i i would put five pound on us seeing it

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hopefully

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so just before we we were jumping on

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here uh uh kind of

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i wanted to say miraculous but not

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really miraculous expected uh

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for a while the community is being

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waiting for the results of a study by

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jack vallee and gary nolan on the

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materials i was going to say matt's

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materials i'll say material to keep

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abroad just in case on the materials

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that jack have has collected over the

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years whilst researching ufo cases if

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you've watched james fox's the

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phenomenon you'll have seen a segment in

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there uh featuring both jack and gary um

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discussing a little bit about what they

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were doing uh being a bit cagey about

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the results because they wanted a

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peer-reviewed paper to come out first

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well today is that day the peer-reviewed

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paper is out

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there is a feature on gary nolan in vice

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where he goes into detail about what

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some of the results may imply

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um and there's also a really great video

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interview gary's a very affable guy so

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it's great to hear him open up about

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what he's been doing because it's it's

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all kind of amazing outside of the ufo

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stuff

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just because

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he he explains in the article that

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his involvement came about because

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people studying certain aspects of the

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phenomena sort him out because he was

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basically the best at what he did and he

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was building all of these the devices to

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measure things in a certain way that

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other people just couldn't

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um

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so yeah what did you think of that

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vinnie

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um

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i knew it was coming i've been kind of

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anticipating it for some time i didn't

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really i'm probably thought about it for

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a couple of weeks and then obviously

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saw that vice article today linked

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straight to jesse michael's video the

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interview video with gary nolan so i

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straightaway was on it and then yeah i

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was blown away i thought it was

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incredible you know when he was talking

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about these materials and in a way i

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felt like he was still a little bit

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vague because he talks about some of the

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materials as kind of almost regular

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metals

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slightly mixed

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like it's kind of prosaic and normal

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but then he was talking about ones which

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have got high levels of bismuth and

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talking about terahertz and how it's

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really abnormal and stuff which you know

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i'm not scientific but it still

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kind of made it clear that it was

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something really

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mind-blowing and eye-opening to people

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like gary nolan who you know if it's

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mind-blowing to them then it's something

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special

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yeah yeah yeah i mean the whole thing is

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the um

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the isotopic ratio anomalies isn't it

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exactly um which we saw

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first of what i first saw in patient 17

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um

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the film by jeremy corbell about uh dr

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roger leah was getting an implant from a

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guy and

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i

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you know

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indicated that this wasn't a terrestrial

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manufactured

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yeah 100

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um when when i was reading through the

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paper oh sorry not the paper the article

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i have the paper i didn't have a chance

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to read it before we went live

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unfortunately um

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but

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and i know you dave especially gonna

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groan when i say this but uh

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in some instances ball lightning is said

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to kind of produce and drop these

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materials and i'm not implying that any

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of these craft are ball lightning but

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i suspect or i have an idea that maybe

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that process is used by the engines in

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the craft um and that this is a

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byproduct of that process well we'll see

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though um but yeah it's intriguing very

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intriguing

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um the the part that interested me most

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was where he was talking about the areas

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of the brain

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um in

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experiences

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um

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any sorry the the brain in experiences

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has an

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abnormal amount of white matter um and

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the thing i hadn't heard before was that

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they actually had results for some some

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experiences from before they had the

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experience and they were able to compare

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and they they realized that this anomaly

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had been in in their brains since birth

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which is very very interesting

401
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there are some ideas about filters in

402
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the brain and how it affects us and

403
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and these bits of white matter

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were around um an area of the brain

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that's responsible for intuition um

406
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which

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when it comes to the woo in this

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subject is a bit suspect

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right very

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i like that though i like that this woo

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is becoming more

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normalized you know in the conversation

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you can talk straight nuts and bolts and

414
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day-to-day to data

415
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bringing a little bit of woo just seems

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a little bit natural more these days i

417
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quite like it i'm coming around to the

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idea you know

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that's it the woo train has left the

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station very slowly

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i think the wu train and the nuts and

422
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bolts train have collided a bit as well

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you know

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that's the thing

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that's that's the way it seems to be

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going you know galileo kind of

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separated

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you know the the stuff that we would

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find it hard to quantify

430
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uh from the other stuff and i feel like

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we're getting to the other stuff now um

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and yeah i i don't know where science is

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going to go in the next you know 50

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years but it's super exciting yeah um

435
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just a little bit in conclusion on that

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article just gary noland said that there

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were two of 12 objects that he studied

438
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that have altered isotopic ratios

439
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implying that they were engineered

440
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that's as close as we have to a number

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of

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how much real ufo debris do we know

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do you guys think that uh they're

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holding fun intact craft or would you be

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more inclined to think that they were

446
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hauling bits and pieces

447
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i'm gonna go with bits and pieces

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i'm gonna go with i think from what we

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can gather with gary nolan he's talked

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about you know we saw the small pieces

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in the video that we saw today

452
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they talk about bigger pieces but in my

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mind

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that goes to kind of

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you know it doesn't go to

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a 40-foot disc or anything like that in

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my mind but of course we don't know but

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in my mind i don't want to jump that far

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ahead so i'm thinking when they talk

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about bigger

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pieces i'm just thinking

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you know but that again it's it's kind

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of

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how much do i want to take the weight

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size

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yeah well you know like

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how do you define how do you find define

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a bigger piece

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that's a good question that's a good

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point actually because i guess if you've

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got a material that can bend time and

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space what is small to us could be very

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big to somebody else you know it's so

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hard to quantify isn't it really yeah is

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it i don't want to go out there and go

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big you know

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yeah exactly i don't want to go yeah

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they they've got you know three-quarters

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of a 40-foot disc that's the bigger

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piece

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i don't want to go that far even though

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i'd love it to be like that so i'm gonna

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get yeah they've got a bigger piece than

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something like that you know

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it's like different pieces have been

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split off and you know given to

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different governments around the world

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you just need these governments to talk

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to each other and fill them all back

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together

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that'd be nice

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yeah

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um damn if you just said that a little

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bit down the road that would have been a

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great segue between the the movies that

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i'm going to talk about

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so let's let's get to it let's jump in

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uh this week we're going to talk about

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uh hollywood in ufos uh john ramirez has

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said in some interviews he's alluded to

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um hollywood getting some real

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information from certain places um

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there's also an interesting aspect to it

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that we kind of use movies and pop

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culture as shorthand these days so just

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as a quick example current marvel stuff

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people can talk about multiverses now

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100 years ago it would have broken

509
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people's brains to think about that and

510
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i mean yeah and and some you know

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there is still some confusing aspects of

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those shows to some people um so they're

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lofty they're lofty concepts that

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they're dealing in um but that's just

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sci-fi for you you know making the lofty

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um sorry i lost my place

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yeah that's cool let's talk about ufo

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films so

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first up i'm just going to show the fact

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that uh lou's favorite movie uh lou

521
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alexander's favorite movie is close

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encounters of the third kind

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and that is gonna be my first pick

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um

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mostly because one it folds in you know

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some real events so when people are

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watching it they actually get to

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experience you know almost

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the panic and anxiety that these kind of

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things would induce in a radar room um

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or on a passenger plane

532
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um and i really like that

533
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the other thing is

534
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the fact that

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artists and

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scientists are drawn to uh devil's tower

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at the end to kind of interact with

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these beings and it's only recently that

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i've started thinking this way but i

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think of artists as kind of intuitives

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now and diana posalka makes the point of

542
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artists and mathematicians or kind of

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having similar insights into the

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universe and and i thought that was an

545
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interesting crossover because

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when when you're trying to communicate

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with a species and you don't have

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language

549
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the only thing you really have is going

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on intuition you know are you going to

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try

552
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following your gut and kind of making

553
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shapes in the sand or are you going to

554
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try a dance or you know that kind of

555
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stuff and in this case they they kind of

556
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end up in this dance of light and sound

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that starts disparate but really comes

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together and kind of

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to me sounds like two two

560
00:20:44,950 --> 00:20:41,760
dance partners figuring out the steps

561
00:20:46,230 --> 00:20:44,960
together and then making that dance um

562
00:20:48,870 --> 00:20:46,240
and and i

563
00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:48,880
think that communication really with

564
00:20:52,950 --> 00:20:50,960
these craft would be something like that

565
00:20:54,310 --> 00:20:52,960
maybe not light and sound but

566
00:20:56,950 --> 00:20:54,320
there's gonna have to be a kind of

567
00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:56,960
intuitive reading of what the other one

568
00:20:59,669 --> 00:20:58,320
wants kind of similar to when you look

569
00:21:01,430 --> 00:20:59,679
at your dog and you're like oh you want

570
00:21:04,390 --> 00:21:01,440
to go out the back you know and you've

571
00:21:06,070 --> 00:21:04,400
not communicated but you kind of know

572
00:21:09,669 --> 00:21:06,080
yeah the puddle on the floor gives you a

573
00:21:11,590 --> 00:21:10,549
uh

574
00:21:12,710 --> 00:21:11,600
what what did you guys think of that

575
00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:12,720
movie

576
00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:14,880
i mean it's incredible go on dave here

577
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:16,720
you go i was gonna say you realize that

578
00:21:20,470 --> 00:21:18,720
everything goes back to hp lovecraft

579
00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:20,480
eventually

580
00:21:24,789 --> 00:21:22,320
when you're talking about communicating

581
00:21:26,789 --> 00:21:24,799
through dreams and all that you know

582
00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:26,799
straight out of

583
00:21:30,260 --> 00:21:29,120
cthulhu so um you know maybe he's just

584
00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:30,270
around the corner as well

585
00:21:33,669 --> 00:21:31,919
[Music]

586
00:21:36,149 --> 00:21:33,679
possibly it should be interesting but

587
00:21:38,710 --> 00:21:36,159
yeah i mean close encounters is probably

588
00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:38,720
the seminal um

589
00:21:42,710 --> 00:21:41,440
ufo and

590
00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:42,720
you know kind of

591
00:21:46,950 --> 00:21:44,400
fringe movie i mean the fact that it was

592
00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:46,960
done by spielberg as well and he had

593
00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:50,080
j alan heineck on set as a consultant

594
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:52,559
he got the uh the french clothes based

595
00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:55,200
on jack valet as well and it's just

596
00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:57,600
interesting seeing the descent of

597
00:22:00,630 --> 00:21:59,440
richard dreyfuss through that movie he

598
00:22:02,310 --> 00:22:00,640
gets

599
00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:02,320
now he goes when the radiation burns on

600
00:22:06,630 --> 00:22:03,760
the side of his face where the craft

601
00:22:08,549 --> 00:22:06,640
goes past his car or past his trap

602
00:22:09,990 --> 00:22:08,559
and then he starts kind of he thinks

603
00:22:11,990 --> 00:22:10,000
he's losing his mind and that affects

604
00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:12,000
his mental state and the people around

605
00:22:17,029 --> 00:22:14,159
him which is often the case with kind of

606
00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:17,039
experiences as well

607
00:22:20,390 --> 00:22:18,559
yeah absolutely that really stood out

608
00:22:21,669 --> 00:22:20,400
for me the way his character

609
00:22:23,830 --> 00:22:21,679
changes throughout the film and

610
00:22:26,230 --> 00:22:23,840
obviously i've watched it many years ago

611
00:22:28,470 --> 00:22:26,240
probably a few times but i've re-watched

612
00:22:29,590 --> 00:22:28,480
in i think only in the last six months

613
00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:29,600
and what stood out for me with the

614
00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:30,480
little

615
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:34,880
and you see them small changes of him

616
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:37,840
getting a bit weirder and crazier not

617
00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:39,280
the main bits of the film that i've

618
00:22:43,350 --> 00:22:41,200
always paid attention to i've started

619
00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:43,360
picking out them smaller more subtle

620
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:45,760
pieces of it and that's just formed this

621
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:46,960
even

622
00:22:50,549 --> 00:22:48,960
bigger lover for the movie because now

623
00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:50,559
i'm looking at every little detail and

624
00:22:55,029 --> 00:22:52,559
data point because of what i've been

625
00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:55,039
doing so much in the last 12 months and

626
00:22:58,870 --> 00:22:57,520
so so yeah it's really just kind of

627
00:23:00,230 --> 00:22:58,880
showing a whole new light on the film

628
00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:00,240
for me to just

629
00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:03,919
it's it stays at the top definitely

630
00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:06,240
i i think if that kind of thing was to

631
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:08,559
happen for real i think we would all go

632
00:23:13,029 --> 00:23:11,520
to catalina right as opposed to

633
00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:13,039
yeah

634
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:15,280
they that would be the split right in

635
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:17,600
the community

636
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:20,640
okay uh dave go next please

637
00:23:22,870 --> 00:23:21,600
um

638
00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:22,880
well yeah i mean

639
00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:24,400
on a

640
00:23:29,430 --> 00:23:27,039
talking of films which begin with some

641
00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:29,440
kind of major event um i'd like to throw

642
00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:32,000
in the abyss by james cameron is that

643
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:34,880
starts off with a uso encounter

644
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:36,480
something flying past this nuclear

645
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:38,640
submarine 120 knots

646
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:40,400
you know and no one can understand what

647
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:41,760
the hell it is

648
00:23:45,269 --> 00:23:43,919
um and then you know the rescue mission

649
00:23:47,269 --> 00:23:45,279
that follows to try and get the nuclear

650
00:23:50,070 --> 00:23:47,279
material off that submarine

651
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:50,080
and you end up um well the crew end up

652
00:23:54,390 --> 00:23:51,279
encountering

653
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:54,400
um what i suppose we would term now as

654
00:23:59,029 --> 00:23:56,960
crypto terrestrials you know beings

655
00:24:00,549 --> 00:23:59,039
which have been living in the deep

656
00:24:02,710 --> 00:24:00,559
pressure

657
00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:02,720
arena of the um

658
00:24:05,830 --> 00:24:03,760
you know

659
00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:05,840
of this massive abyss

660
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:07,840
i think that's really quite cool because

661
00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:09,360
they're kind of communicating through

662
00:24:15,669 --> 00:24:11,919
bioluminescence as well which you know

663
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:15,679
as any nature documentary lover knows

664
00:24:19,029 --> 00:24:16,960
it's kind of

665
00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:19,039
how most of the animal most of the

666
00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:21,600
creatures in the sea communicate

667
00:24:29,190 --> 00:24:27,350
yeah so i think what really stood out

668
00:24:31,590 --> 00:24:29,200
for me in that film as well is

669
00:24:33,269 --> 00:24:31,600
that you see the um the way all the

670
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:33,279
people on board the sub reactor that

671
00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:34,320
they

672
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:39,440
prosaic for so long through the movie

673
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:40,799
and then another thing that really

674
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:42,720
stands out is that you only really see

675
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:45,440
these other beings as lights

676
00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:47,440
before you see what's within the light

677
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:50,080
to the actual entities themselves and so

678
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:52,240
it plays more off of not so much the

679
00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:54,480
visuals but what it just how the story's

680
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:55,760
told and i think that's what's really

681
00:25:01,029 --> 00:24:58,320
good about the film it doesn't rely on

682
00:25:03,029 --> 00:25:01,039
massive special effects in this it it it

683
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:03,039
keeps you thinking and makes you

684
00:25:05,430 --> 00:25:04,320
your brain work i think that's

685
00:25:07,110 --> 00:25:05,440
incredible

686
00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:07,120
yeah those special effects were

687
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:08,559
groundbreaking at the time when you get

688
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:09,520
the

689
00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:12,480
and

690
00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:14,400
kind of changes into the different faces

691
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:15,840
of the crew and

692
00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:17,760
yeah yeah you're having a laugh and then

693
00:25:24,549 --> 00:25:20,320
obviously the military side of the crew

694
00:25:27,510 --> 00:25:26,230
uh someone in the comments is saying

695
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:27,520
spoilers

696
00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:30,480
april we we love you but go go watch the

697
00:25:35,269 --> 00:25:33,360
abyss it's it's been a while i i forget

698
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:35,279
when it came out but

699
00:25:39,269 --> 00:25:37,440
go watch it check it out yeah watch the

700
00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:39,279
director's cut and there's also an

701
00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:40,640
incredible documentary that kind of

702
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:42,880
shows you behind the scenes um that you

703
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:44,240
should save that for after though

704
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:45,600
because that that's spoilers because

705
00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:47,120
that'll tell you the whole film be for

706
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:50,240
beat we haven't done that

707
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:52,559
um i i really love the abyss it was kind

708
00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:54,480
of like

709
00:25:58,390 --> 00:25:57,360
if stephen king did ufos to me

710
00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:58,400
um

711
00:26:02,149 --> 00:26:00,480
he he's very much is is one of these

712
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:02,159
writers who will establish his

713
00:26:07,990 --> 00:26:05,279
characters it'll kind of feel like uh

714
00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:08,000
a you know a very normal story um and

715
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:10,240
then just from left field in the last

716
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:11,760
third it'll kind of

717
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:13,360
the supernatural will slam into the

718
00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:15,360
story um

719
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:16,960
and that's kind of what happens with the

720
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:19,200
abyss you know it sneaks up it's just

721
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:21,840
this cool film about an underwater

722
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:24,320
facility with a few weird things in at

723
00:26:28,470 --> 00:26:27,120
the beginning and and then until it goes

724
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:28,480
full tilt

725
00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:30,880
crazy at the end it's these things are

726
00:26:35,350 --> 00:26:33,440
only slightly happened throughout um and

727
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:35,360
i really like that because you know if

728
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:37,679
you looked across our species in terms

729
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:38,480
of

730
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:41,279
the frequency how how many people

731
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:43,200
are on this planet versus how often we

732
00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:44,240
see them

733
00:26:49,590 --> 00:26:47,440
you know in a little microcosm

734
00:26:51,669 --> 00:26:49,600
you you probably get one every like 40

735
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:51,679
50 years you know so it would be kind of

736
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:53,279
desperate it would feel very normal

737
00:26:57,430 --> 00:26:55,760
until it wasn't um

738
00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:57,440
you know pretty pretty much after that

739
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:58,720
point where they come

740
00:27:02,149 --> 00:27:00,000
you know at the board at the end it

741
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:02,159
pretty much turns into signs i figure

742
00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:03,840
right

743
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:10,789
okay vinnie give us a movie

744
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:12,559
i'm going back to a classic i'm going to

745
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:15,600
start with the thing

746
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:18,240
so this was probably one of

747
00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:19,200
i'm i'm

748
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:20,240
i must have seen this when i was

749
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:22,559
probably like 10 12 years old and you

750
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:23,919
know when you're that yeah young and

751
00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:26,080
you're watching something that's an 18

752
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:27,840
you're kind of kind of excited about

753
00:27:31,269 --> 00:27:29,279
seeing something that's probably going

754
00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:31,279
to scare you a bit and so it stuck with

755
00:27:35,110 --> 00:27:32,720
me and i've watched it obviously many

756
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:35,120
times since now

757
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:36,720
i like the way that it opens and you've

758
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:39,200
got this norwegian

759
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:41,279
crew just being wild and trying to catch

760
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:43,360
this dog and it's all a bit like

761
00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:45,120
hang on a minute and then obviously you

762
00:27:48,789 --> 00:27:47,279
learn that you know you've got this the

763
00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:48,799
shape-shifting

764
00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:50,559
creature that can change into

765
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:52,799
anything like humans dogs animals and

766
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:54,880
all that and then it's confined to this

767
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:57,360
antarctic base you know

768
00:28:02,070 --> 00:27:59,440
fascinating incredible

769
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:02,080
you know edgy your seat stuff so stuck

770
00:28:05,909 --> 00:28:04,240
out it will it will forever stick out as

771
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:05,919
one of my favorite

772
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:07,679
yeah i'm going with the original the

773
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:10,559
thing the original 1980 486 something

774
00:28:13,830 --> 00:28:12,320
like that russell one thing

775
00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:13,840
yeah yeah yeah

776
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:17,360
the prequel um with kate i can say oh

777
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:19,840
that kind of ends with

778
00:28:25,510 --> 00:28:22,320
well it leads on into

779
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:25,520
you know the current russell version

780
00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:27,120
it was like it wasn't as bad as i

781
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:28,720
thought it was going to be but at the

782
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:30,399
same time it's

783
00:28:34,389 --> 00:28:32,640
nowhere near as good as the original

784
00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:34,399
just the way they play with tension in

785
00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:37,279
that film is is absolutely incredible um

786
00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:38,880
yeah away from the uap stuff just

787
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:41,600
technically such a well-made film

788
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:42,480
um

789
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:44,559
but the yeah the

790
00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:46,880
i was gonna say the monster but i'm i'm

791
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:49,120
conscious of of you know using phrases

792
00:28:51,610 --> 00:28:51,279
like that now in case they're watching

793
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,620
um

794
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:53,520
[Music]

795
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:54,960
um but

796
00:29:00,070 --> 00:28:56,000
yeah the

797
00:29:02,710 --> 00:29:00,080
the thing um it is an interesting alien

798
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:02,720
because because of the mimicry and that

799
00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:04,799
comes up a lot

800
00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:06,880
that you know how would you deal with

801
00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:09,200
something that could mimic anything you

802
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:11,279
you wouldn't be able to trust what it

803
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:20,630
oh god imagine it was just rich doty

804
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:22,320
just misinformation

805
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:23,520
um

806
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:25,200
but i mean i mean it sounds very you

807
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:26,559
know there are people out there that who

808
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:28,640
who believe richard doti still and there

809
00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:30,720
are there are diverse who know exactly

810
00:29:36,389 --> 00:29:32,240
you know what what his bag of tricks is

811
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:36,399
and won't get into the wood guy says um

812
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:38,320
that's not even considering you know

813
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:40,480
imagine a richard dodie who

814
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:42,240
was just amazing at expressing his

815
00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:44,159
message and no one knew that he was you

816
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:46,000
know lying he blended in perfectly with

817
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:48,559
the truth tellers um but there's all

818
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:50,960
sorts of nature out there that that will

819
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:52,799
mimic um and i only learned this this

820
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:54,960
week but apparently the the cuckoo bird

821
00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:57,200
will kind of lay its eggs in nests that

822
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:00,559
don't belong to it um and as a result

823
00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:03,840
you can trace the lineage of birds who

824
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:06,080
once had a run in with the cuckoo bird

825
00:30:11,909 --> 00:30:08,880
way back when because they still will

826
00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:11,919
check their nests for imposter eggs um

827
00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:13,760
and there are certain i think it was in

828
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:15,520
north america there's a certain species

829
00:30:20,549 --> 00:30:18,000
of bird who they're really terrible at

830
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:20,559
being able to tell their eggs apart um

831
00:30:24,149 --> 00:30:22,240
and so they know that the cuckoo's never

832
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:24,159
been in this bird's territory in north

833
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:27,679
america um but what happens is

834
00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:31,039
that the cuckoo's egg will evolve over

835
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:33,520
hundreds and hundreds of years to fit in

836
00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:35,200
better with the eggs of the nest that

837
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:37,600
it's being put in so it can better elude

838
00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:40,559
uh the the mother of

839
00:30:44,070 --> 00:30:42,240
the sorry the

840
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:44,080
the genuine mother

841
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:46,480
and it's kind of like this

842
00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:48,960
evolutionary arms race you know across

843
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:52,000
history and no no one animal there is

844
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:53,840
conscious of that overall thing they

845
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:56,880
just know they check the egg um but

846
00:31:02,230 --> 00:30:59,120
here we are you know we're kind of it's

847
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:02,240
a it's a little crazy to think of us in

848
00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:04,559
an evolutionary arms race with something

849
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:12,789
yeah yeah i mean this

850
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:15,840
deep animal kingdom is um

851
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:18,799
you know rife with those kind of uh

852
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:20,720
defense mechanisms

853
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:22,480
almost as well

854
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:24,000
um you know you've got the leaf bugs

855
00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:26,480
you've got the stick bugs you've got

856
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:28,720
you know the moths with the faces on the

857
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:30,960
back that blend into the tree bark and

858
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:33,440
everything like that you know it's

859
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:35,760
is evolutionary who knows what we'll be

860
00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:37,840
capable of in the next

861
00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:39,600
four five hundred

862
00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:41,200
to a thousand years

863
00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:42,080
that's the thing they've got the

864
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:44,720
camouflage and the cloaking as well

865
00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:46,559
in the animal kingdom

866
00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:49,120
yeah way ahead of us yeah yeah

867
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:50,880
i was reading a paper just the other day

868
00:31:55,750 --> 00:31:53,120
of researchers who they're able to

869
00:31:58,710 --> 00:31:55,760
induce different emotions in

870
00:32:01,269 --> 00:31:58,720
a person with no side effects by just

871
00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:01,279
firing light at them

872
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:03,440
just different light that's it and and

873
00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:04,960
they can make the person see things they

874
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:06,320
can make them experience certain

875
00:32:11,110 --> 00:32:08,640
emotions and as soon as i read it i just

876
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:11,120
thought oh wow like if you can do that

877
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:13,679
to a person

878
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:15,279
their reality is no longer their own

879
00:32:18,789 --> 00:32:16,799
reality right but we hear that in the

880
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:18,799
ufo world as well when people see craft

881
00:32:22,389 --> 00:32:21,039
can it be stuff that they're made to see

882
00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:22,399
you know you think about skinwalker

883
00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:23,760
ranch and the emotions that people have

884
00:32:27,430 --> 00:32:25,039
felt when they've walked onto that

885
00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:27,440
property we've heard it many times these

886
00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:29,519
are all things that relate to exactly

887
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:31,279
what you just said we've

888
00:32:35,669 --> 00:32:33,440
we've heard it many times

889
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:35,679
yeah it makes you wonder if we're

890
00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:37,519
you know if the reason that

891
00:32:40,789 --> 00:32:39,760
this seems to be coming

892
00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:40,799
more

893
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:44,000
uh to us

894
00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:45,360
aside from the fact that you know we're

895
00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:47,600
able to just talk about it now is that

896
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:49,360
we're at this point where this

897
00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:51,840
technology is almost accessible to us

898
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:54,320
so you know the the the caretakers are

899
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:00,789
okay

900
00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:04,080
so my next movie i'm gonna pick flight

901
00:33:09,029 --> 00:33:07,120
of the navigator

902
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:09,039
that's a it's it's a classic i watched

903
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:11,200
it a lot as a kid um it has a really

904
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:12,880
incredible follow-up documentary if you

905
00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:14,640
don't know um

906
00:33:19,509 --> 00:33:16,720
recently the actor

907
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:19,519
from the movie the the child actor um he

908
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:21,519
didn't have such a great life after the

909
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:24,720
film um and it goes into the why of that

910
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:27,600
um in his life afterwards he's such a

911
00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:30,000
lovely just genuine soul

912
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:31,120
and

913
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:33,919
i'd recommend you watch it after you

914
00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:36,720
watch the film uh very touching but yeah

915
00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:37,760
the reason i bring flight of the

916
00:33:42,549 --> 00:33:39,519
navigator up is because

917
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:42,559
i watched it again kind of you know post

918
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:45,200
2017 when we had the the term the five

919
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:46,559
observables

920
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:48,880
and every single one of them's in that

921
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:50,720
film

922
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:53,519
you know i i then the other fact is that

923
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:55,840
there's this ai

924
00:34:00,870 --> 00:33:58,799
kind of crystalline craft that is an

925
00:34:02,310 --> 00:34:00,880
intelligence um that we often hear

926
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:02,320
bandied about a lot

927
00:34:06,549 --> 00:34:04,799
and i think

928
00:34:10,389 --> 00:34:06,559
did someone know so like that's really

929
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:10,399
on the nose you know yeah

930
00:34:14,710 --> 00:34:13,040
definitely the shape the

931
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:14,720
the material you know the shimmer that

932
00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:16,720
you see on the craft so many little

933
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:19,599
details so many little details

934
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:21,119
yeah

935
00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:24,240
is it a disney thing i can't remember

936
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:25,760
uh

937
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:27,599
i can't remember i'm sure

938
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:33,909
if you remember there's always the

939
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:35,280
rumors that

940
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:37,520
walt disney was approached to make a ufo

941
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:39,520
documentary back in the 50s

942
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:41,280
and then

943
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:43,919
robert emineger was approached to do on

944
00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:46,000
behalf of disney in the 70s and again in

945
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:48,240
the 80s so it's always been that kind of

946
00:34:51,909 --> 00:34:50,800
link between disney and disclosure

947
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:51,919
almost

948
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:53,119
well there was that one disney

949
00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:54,960
documentary on ufos that got banned for

950
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:56,639
quite some time wasn't it yeah yeah

951
00:35:01,750 --> 00:34:58,880
there was it was for one of the rides

952
00:35:03,910 --> 00:35:01,760
wasn't it but it was uh alien encounter

953
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:03,920
i i remember it because i went on it and

954
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:06,480
my mother was terrified she was crying

955
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:08,400
and it was it was basically you were in

956
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:10,320
this room there was a tube in the middle

957
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:11,520
of the room

958
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:13,280
these scientists said that they were

959
00:35:16,870 --> 00:35:15,040
bringing this alien lifeform in and we

960
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:16,880
were gonna be the first people to see it

961
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:18,720
um and

962
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:20,960
obviously hijinks ensue it breaks out of

963
00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:23,760
the cage uh or out of the tube uh smoke

964
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:25,440
everywhere they they had some cool

965
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:27,440
effects where they had some kind of you

966
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:29,280
know blow wind on the back ear neck and

967
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:30,880
they'd have like tassels that touch the

968
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:32,240
back of your neck or the back of your

969
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:34,560
feet and you know some great kind of

970
00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:37,200
sounds incredible animatronics i loved

971
00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:39,839
it which said a lot about my future

972
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:41,839
really

973
00:35:48,069 --> 00:35:45,040
and uh yeah my my parents did not like

974
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:48,079
that at all um it was yeah it was it was

975
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:50,640
fairly heavy i i i

976
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:52,560
social experiment almost

977
00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:53,680
possibly

978
00:36:00,630 --> 00:35:57,520
since then like you enjoyed it follow

979
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:02,630
interesting but yeah the thing is as

980
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:07,990
so many things they're just flying

981
00:36:11,589 --> 00:36:09,760
through my head now there's you know the

982
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:11,599
scenes where they're just zipping along

983
00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:14,000
you know over the ground really low and

984
00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:16,400
oh it's a i just want to be in that

985
00:36:20,069 --> 00:36:17,920
craft you know

986
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:20,079
yeah we all do

987
00:36:24,069 --> 00:36:21,680
yeah but it's being remade isn't it with

988
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:24,079
um bryce dallas howard

989
00:36:27,910 --> 00:36:25,440
directing it

990
00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:27,920
i've heard i've heard i mean yes it'd be

991
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:31,359
interesting knowing what we know now

992
00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:34,079
and what has come out in the public

993
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:36,240
you know in the last couple of years how

994
00:36:39,829 --> 00:36:37,839
they're going to approach it

995
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:39,839
you know are they going to

996
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:41,920
have like the videos

997
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:44,000
the gimbal that attack are they going to

998
00:36:47,829 --> 00:36:46,079
be referenced in some way or maybe it'll

999
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:47,839
be a tic tag

1000
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:54,470
the designers are going to be doing

1001
00:36:59,589 --> 00:36:57,359
research for ufo shapes and that is a

1002
00:37:01,270 --> 00:36:59,599
super prominent one now these days right

1003
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:01,280
um

1004
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:04,079
who knows who knows yeah tic tac usa can

1005
00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:10,150
uh

1006
00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:14,480
i'm gonna go let's go vinnie this time

1007
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:17,920
right i'm gonna go with this

1008
00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:19,280
i'm gonna go with i'm gonna go in

1009
00:37:22,540 --> 00:37:20,880
chronological order so i'm gonna go with

1010
00:37:23,829 --> 00:37:22,550
prometheus now

1011
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:23,839
[Music]

1012
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:26,400
i'm going with prometheus specifically

1013
00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:29,680
because of the story of the engineers

1014
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:31,440
and the fact that there's this old

1015
00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:33,839
school race who

1016
00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:36,160
almost send life out into the universe

1017
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:37,520
you know

1018
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:39,680
i think in the movie it even links back

1019
00:37:43,109 --> 00:37:40,880
to that they could have created the

1020
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:43,119
human race from from themselves and you

1021
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:45,839
know that opening scene in prometheus if

1022
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:47,280
anyone can remember where he's stood at

1023
00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:48,880
the top of the fountain and that's just

1024
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:50,800
beautiful it's

1025
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:53,760
it impacted me you know so

1026
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:55,440
yeah i like that you know i like that

1027
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:56,800
that kind of

1028
00:38:00,790 --> 00:37:59,040
creation story kind of thing

1029
00:38:03,030 --> 00:38:00,800
yeah excel also ties into like the

1030
00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:03,040
underlarking myths from some area where

1031
00:38:07,589 --> 00:38:04,720
you know they used

1032
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:07,599
um part of their dna and fused it with

1033
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:09,119
you know creatures that were already

1034
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:10,320
here and

1035
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:12,480
you know melded it all together

1036
00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:15,920
exactly basically created slaves and

1037
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:18,240
sat around doing nothing all day well we

1038
00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:19,440
did yeah

1039
00:38:22,630 --> 00:38:20,640
see i like that a lot better than we

1040
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:22,640
just evolved from monkeys

1041
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:27,670
yeah except for that million year gap in

1042
00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:28,560
between

1043
00:38:33,990 --> 00:38:30,800
wow you know

1044
00:38:38,069 --> 00:38:35,670
if you ever get a chance to visit that

1045
00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:38,079
waterfall definitely do it's gorgeous

1046
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:39,359
where is it from

1047
00:38:43,829 --> 00:38:40,720
iceland

1048
00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:43,839
yeah it's one of the if you go and you

1049
00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:45,520
just kind of walked into any tourist

1050
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:47,040
place and said take me to the top five

1051
00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:49,040
places they would take you there as well

1052
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:51,040
as you know a bunch of others but yeah

1053
00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:53,760
gorgeous gorgeous place um huge and

1054
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:55,359
super loud you can barely hear your

1055
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:57,200
friends talking uh when you're next to

1056
00:38:59,670 --> 00:38:58,240
it it's just

1057
00:39:01,990 --> 00:38:59,680
yeah crazy

1058
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:02,000
did you go after you'd seen prometheus

1059
00:39:05,829 --> 00:39:03,760
yeah yeah wow

1060
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:05,839
not not because of that but no but it

1061
00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:08,160
was when i was there i was like this is

1062
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:11,359
where you know they see life

1063
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:14,160
and and i'm a i'm a nerd anyway so like

1064
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:15,599
there's just a lot in iceland there's a

1065
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:17,599
point where as well you can walk between

1066
00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:18,960
two um

1067
00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:21,280
tectonic plates um and it's where they

1068
00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:22,880
actually did the experiments and

1069
00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:24,960
realized that there's it's actual text

1070
00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:26,079
on the plate movement they basically

1071
00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:28,240
just took two sticks in the ground and

1072
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:29,920
just went how far apart they this year

1073
00:39:32,550 --> 00:39:31,119
for a whole bunch of years and went

1074
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:32,560
they're moving

1075
00:39:36,790 --> 00:39:34,320
science

1076
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:36,800
nice so yeah you can full-on walk uh get

1077
00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:38,560
between them which is unreal you know

1078
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:39,760
i'm probably never going to do that in

1079
00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:42,880
my life ever again um yeah and then i

1080
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:45,280
got to see the aurora which is cool but

1081
00:39:50,310 --> 00:39:48,720
the the film is it's super interesting

1082
00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:50,320
because i always think of even if it

1083
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:52,240
wasn't you know an engineer that came

1084
00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:53,280
here

1085
00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:54,160
sure

1086
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:57,440
it could be a meteor with microbes just

1087
00:40:01,190 --> 00:40:00,240
that the way that mixes with microbes

1088
00:40:03,589 --> 00:40:01,200
here

1089
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:03,599
begins life you know it could be as

1090
00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:05,520
simple as that and then and then what we

1091
00:40:09,829 --> 00:40:07,760
would call the engineer would be

1092
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:09,839
god right like who knocked the asteroid

1093
00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:11,920
that created the and it would just go

1094
00:40:16,309 --> 00:40:13,680
back like that um someone in the

1095
00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:16,319
comments just mentioned uh uh encounter

1096
00:40:19,829 --> 00:40:18,560
as well with uh riz ahmed that just came

1097
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:19,839
out today

1098
00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:23,040
yes yeah on amazon prime yeah that's

1099
00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:25,359
right um i watched it earlier today and

1100
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:27,280
i very much liked it so i don't

1101
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:29,680
recommend yeah

1102
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:31,920
that's what i'm doing tonight then

1103
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:33,520
although it's late but

1104
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:36,560
why not why not

1105
00:40:40,390 --> 00:40:38,079
i think with prometheus as well you've

1106
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:40,400
got the whole

1107
00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:42,880
before they you know when you get into

1108
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:45,359
like the modern day you've got all these

1109
00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:47,040
archaeological expeditions and they're

1110
00:40:51,910 --> 00:40:49,920
looking for these star maps you know and

1111
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:51,920
they tie them all up with different

1112
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:53,760
sites around the world and that kind of

1113
00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:55,599
leads them to uh

1114
00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:58,319
working out where we've come from

1115
00:41:01,109 --> 00:40:59,760
where they think we've come from you

1116
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:01,119
know i think that was

1117
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:03,520
it kind of mixes a bit of ancient aliens

1118
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:05,119
mixes a bit of chariots of the gods in

1119
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:07,520
there as well and

1120
00:41:11,589 --> 00:41:09,599
you know then adds all the science or

1121
00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:11,599
doesn't have the science

1122
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:12,800
you know people have been really

1123
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:15,200
critical about it

1124
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:17,200
it's it's a movie you know you gotta let

1125
00:41:25,589 --> 00:41:23,270
um okay

1126
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:25,599
uh you're updated

1127
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:27,520
yeah i'm gonna um

1128
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:29,520
be serious for a moment and drag in

1129
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:30,880
district nine

1130
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:32,880
oh

1131
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:36,240
um mainly because it uses

1132
00:41:39,829 --> 00:41:37,839
um

1133
00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:39,839
kind of an extraterrestrial

1134
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:42,800
visitation almost as

1135
00:41:52,710 --> 00:41:43,760
a

1136
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:52,720
do by neil

1137
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:55,440
um bloomkan

1138
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:56,880
his name

1139
00:42:01,510 --> 00:42:00,480
south african guy yeah yeah yeah

1140
00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:01,520
i

1141
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:13,599
thought was um

1142
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:16,400
totally different and really

1143
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:18,079
really impactful at the time as well

1144
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:20,319
because how would we

1145
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:22,240
kind of react if something like that did

1146
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:24,240
happen would we

1147
00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:26,000
would we treat them as gods would we

1148
00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:29,440
treat them as inferior beings would we

1149
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:30,880
blow them out of the sky as soon as they

1150
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:32,480
arrived who knows

1151
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:33,920
i think that was

1152
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:36,480
the fact that you know the kind of

1153
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:37,760
the government

1154
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:40,560
of the of that time

1155
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:42,000
the first thing that they wanted to do

1156
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:45,119
was get older all the military hardware

1157
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:47,040
on that ship and try and weaponize it so

1158
00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:48,160
they could

1159
00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:49,599
you know use it to their advantage

1160
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:52,160
basically a power grab

1161
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:54,160
yeah i agree i think i was very clever

1162
00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:56,000
that they had that really

1163
00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:57,760
meaningful story and like what you just

1164
00:43:01,750 --> 00:42:59,680
said about how it's kind of

1165
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:01,760
a little bit borderline like

1166
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:03,359
controversial but then they had that

1167
00:43:07,109 --> 00:43:05,280
small underlying bit of humor that kept

1168
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:07,119
creeping in throughout it with some of

1169
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:09,359
the characters and i think that just

1170
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:11,440
really just rounded the edges off the

1171
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:12,800
kind of like

1172
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:15,280
seriousness of it it just made it work

1173
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:16,960
really well for me so yeah i think it

1174
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:19,440
helps in filming like a cop style

1175
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:23,839
documentary as well yeah definitely

1176
00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:24,960
you know with

1177
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:27,520
regular cinematography i think that was

1178
00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:29,680
you know important and it was exactly

1179
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:31,839
how it should have been treated

1180
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:33,839
totally yeah so that worked completely

1181
00:43:37,270 --> 00:43:35,440
it could have been a bit like this is

1182
00:43:38,710 --> 00:43:37,280
just really cringed like you're going

1183
00:43:40,950 --> 00:43:38,720
for that slavery

1184
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:40,960
too much of a message

1185
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:42,640
they just they drew it back a little bit

1186
00:43:46,950 --> 00:43:44,400
enough to get it across but then still

1187
00:43:49,349 --> 00:43:46,960
keep you engaged and still keep you like

1188
00:43:54,150 --> 00:43:49,359
the characters interesting and

1189
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:55,829
yeah it was a really good one

1190
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:57,839
there hadn't really been anything

1191
00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:01,200
like it uh before um just just how like

1192
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:03,680
down and dirty it was it was very gritty

1193
00:44:09,030 --> 00:44:07,440
filmmaking as well um and yeah it paid

1194
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:09,040
off like we've spoken about this before

1195
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:10,640
and i've said that i'm not fond of when

1196
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:12,240
it shifts to kind of that traditional

1197
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:14,560
hollywood movie at the end but

1198
00:44:18,550 --> 00:44:17,040
i i really love what it was trying to do

1199
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:18,560
um and the message that is getting

1200
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:20,000
across and

1201
00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:22,480
you know how it makes you

1202
00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:23,920
there there are people in the audience

1203
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:27,680
that would feel empathy towards how the

1204
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:28,800
towards the

1205
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:30,960
the visitors um

1206
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:31,680
and

1207
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:33,440
that that's kind of the point right

1208
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:35,040
films and stories are empathy machines

1209
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:37,280
and and i think

1210
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:40,800
it's it's a little bit of magic

1211
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:43,359
yes and there's also you know that side

1212
00:44:47,349 --> 00:44:45,359
of the audience as well which would be

1213
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:47,359
totally behind what was going on

1214
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:49,920
at the human level

1215
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:52,240
yeah absolutely and and then films like

1216
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:54,240
that serve as a mirror and you know i i

1217
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:56,160
hope people reflect they come out going

1218
00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:57,920
oh that me film made me feel horrible

1219
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:02,390
isn't it another one of the examples of

1220
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:04,079
a cult classic though that didn't who

1221
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:06,480
didn't do too well on release but then

1222
00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:07,839
over the course of the years that it's

1223
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:10,240
been out it's kind of made up for it in

1224
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:11,440
views and

1225
00:45:16,470 --> 00:45:13,680
yeah it's definitely i think um

1226
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:16,480
you know once it came on dvd it was just

1227
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:19,680
you know sales went sky high for it yeah

1228
00:45:23,349 --> 00:45:21,119
i know it was just word of mouth and you

1229
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:23,359
get it you know it almost became a late

1230
00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:25,760
night student film for a bit and then

1231
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:27,760
yeah people realized how impactful it

1232
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:29,680
actually was yeah

1233
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:30,720
that's the thing that's always a good

1234
00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:32,640
sign i like it sometimes when it's not

1235
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:34,400
not necessarily that massive instant big

1236
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:35,200
hit

1237
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:36,079
that

1238
00:45:40,630 --> 00:45:38,560
a hollywood hollywood blocks blockbuster

1239
00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:40,640
can be and then it just dies of death

1240
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:42,160
this one is just dragged out over the

1241
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:44,319
course of time as just being a good

1242
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:45,680
baseline

1243
00:45:49,589 --> 00:45:47,440
message movie

1244
00:45:50,309 --> 00:45:49,599
all those little elements that yeah it's

1245
00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:50,319
good

1246
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:52,240
yeah

1247
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:53,040
cool

1248
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:53,839
so

1249
00:45:58,069 --> 00:45:56,800
for my last one i'm gonna pick i've got

1250
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:58,079
between two and i don't know which one

1251
00:46:01,349 --> 00:45:59,520
to pick there's a bit of a crossover

1252
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:01,359
between them um

1253
00:46:05,349 --> 00:46:03,760
i'll i'll just

1254
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:05,359
they they're above and below so that

1255
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:10,230
uh so

1256
00:46:13,829 --> 00:46:12,000
i'm i'm gonna choose

1257
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:13,839
i'll say them both because they both

1258
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:15,920
have the thing that i want to talk about

1259
00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:18,480
um arrival and contact

1260
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:21,440
and and the reason that i bring those up

1261
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:22,960
uh

1262
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:25,680
because of the way they treat time

1263
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:27,599
you know with a rival it's very much

1264
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:28,400
about

1265
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:30,160
that um

1266
00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:33,200
the story revolves around

1267
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:35,839
one of the characters experiences with

1268
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:38,640
time and how it's relative to her

1269
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:39,920
um

1270
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:41,200
that's more recent one so i don't want

1271
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:43,920
to spoil the twist but

1272
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:45,920
suffice to say the story really you know

1273
00:46:48,570 --> 00:46:48,079
is packed with it that that's the idea

1274
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:48,580
um

1275
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:50,400
[Music]

1276
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:51,359
then

1277
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:54,720
with contact we have a bit of a little

1278
00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:57,040
bit of the opposite way it's about time

1279
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:58,480
dilation

1280
00:47:01,750 --> 00:47:00,000
where a person goes through an

1281
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:01,760
experience in a craft

1282
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:04,240
they experience a long stretch of time

1283
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:06,000
but to people

1284
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:08,880
uh outside of the craft only a few

1285
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:10,400
seconds pass

1286
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:13,760
and we've seen effects like that in uh

1287
00:47:16,230 --> 00:47:15,040
in cases

1288
00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:16,240
and

1289
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:18,880
it just it implies a certain control of

1290
00:47:22,470 --> 00:47:21,119
time and and dimensions and

1291
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:22,480
contact interests me as well because it

1292
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:24,880
was carl sagan and people always think

1293
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:27,119
that he he's just didn't entertain the

1294
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:29,680
idea of uap or ufos or visitors to earth

1295
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:31,359
at all and

1296
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:33,680
there are some really really weird ideas

1297
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:36,720
in this story um about just you know

1298
00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:38,640
other dimensional beings trying to take

1299
00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:45,349
and and if he i would say if he were

1300
00:47:49,349 --> 00:47:47,040
here to see us switch on the james webb

1301
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:49,359
telescope he would be thinking of this

1302
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:51,520
story right now

1303
00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:52,480
um

1304
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:54,160
so i'm not going to ask you guys what

1305
00:47:57,990 --> 00:47:56,160
you thought of both of those films uh i

1306
00:48:02,790 --> 00:47:58,000
will just say that could i just say i'd

1307
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:02,800
go contact time arrival language

1308
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:04,319
oh yes

1309
00:48:08,549 --> 00:48:06,640
because that essentially yeah

1310
00:48:11,109 --> 00:48:08,559
so so i'll just elaborate just for

1311
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:11,119
people listening um

1312
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:15,280
the language of the visitors um

1313
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:16,880
yeah

1314
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:18,640
these coffee scenes can be read forwards

1315
00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:21,440
and backwards um a better way to say it

1316
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:22,960
would be that their language could be

1317
00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:24,880
experienced i think

1318
00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:27,680
um as opposed to red um they're not

1319
00:48:33,270 --> 00:48:30,960
linear beings like us um and basically

1320
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:33,280
the scientists studying them by thinking

1321
00:48:35,829 --> 00:48:34,480
about

1322
00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:35,839
uh

1323
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:42,950
the way they think starts to change and

1324
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:45,040
become very similar and very loose with

1325
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:47,440
its sense of time as well um so yeah

1326
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:48,800
good shout out actually yeah yeah that's

1327
00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:50,800
the language versus uh

1328
00:48:58,870 --> 00:48:56,870
so you you can go first this time though

1329
00:49:01,430 --> 00:48:58,880
because because you did that

1330
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:01,440
what for the next movie yeah i think we

1331
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:03,599
actually only have one time for one more

1332
00:49:07,349 --> 00:49:05,760
so uh yeah

1333
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:07,359
i chose this movie because i just didn't

1334
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:09,040
want to keep with this like the ufo

1335
00:49:12,549 --> 00:49:10,720
concept i wanted to talk about something

1336
00:49:14,230 --> 00:49:12,559
that could relate to the subject so i'm

1337
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:14,240
going with a more recent movie which is

1338
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:17,359
annihilation so we have the concept of

1339
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:21,440
yes a meteor crashes but it creates this

1340
00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:22,319
bubble

1341
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:25,440
uh shimmer that expands and within it

1342
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:27,200
you have things that break the laws of

1343
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:29,680
physics biology chemistry and things

1344
00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:32,160
like that so it's it's it's kind of a

1345
00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:33,920
different concept but it makes you think

1346
00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:36,319
and it's still a possibility so

1347
00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:42,470
nice shout out nice yeah no that was

1348
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:45,040
definitely um one of the more surprising

1349
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:46,640
things that came out

1350
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:50,079
um what was it 2018 2017 i think

1351
00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:52,079
probably a bit later than that wasn't it

1352
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:54,079
i'll have a level up

1353
00:49:59,349 --> 00:49:55,920
when it came out it was one of netflix's

1354
00:50:01,349 --> 00:49:59,359
first ones wasn't it and it was just wow

1355
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:01,359
i mean the way they handled like the the

1356
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:03,920
effects on nature within that bubble on

1357
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:07,119
the shimmer 2018 2018 yeah

1358
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:08,000
okay

1359
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:09,680
and it is basically the color outer

1360
00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:13,280
space by hp lovecraft so you know yeah

1361
00:50:18,630 --> 00:50:16,400
which is also a great film yeah well

1362
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:18,640
yeah

1363
00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:19,920
and you about to tell me you don't like

1364
00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:21,440
the ninth cage one

1365
00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:22,960
gazis moments

1366
00:50:27,670 --> 00:50:26,160
oh i i loved it i i like my crappy

1367
00:50:29,589 --> 00:50:27,680
horrors and creature features so it was

1368
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:29,599
right if cage didn't do nick cage enough

1369
00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:30,880
he dulled it down

1370
00:50:33,740 --> 00:50:32,480
if he'd done it properly done himself

1371
00:50:37,349 --> 00:50:33,750
probably it would have been all right

1372
00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:37,359
[Laughter]

1373
00:50:39,750 --> 00:50:38,160
um

1374
00:50:41,349 --> 00:50:39,760
we're not gonna have time to talk about

1375
00:50:44,069 --> 00:50:41,359
it now dave but what was your what was

1376
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:44,079
your other choice mars attacks

1377
00:50:47,430 --> 00:50:45,119
oh

1378
00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:47,440
good shout out just for the pure

1379
00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:49,280
for tom jones

1380
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:54,069
can i just give one shout out quickly

1381
00:50:56,790 --> 00:50:55,680
when we're talking about movies yeah and

1382
00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:56,800
i'm going to give a shout out to our

1383
00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:59,280
colleague adam goldsack who who felt a

1384
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:00,640
bit ill this week and sat down and

1385
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:03,119
watched a film called dark encounter now

1386
00:51:06,069 --> 00:51:04,640
i hadn't heard of that so i actually sat

1387
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:06,079
down and watched it last night so shout

1388
00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:07,680
out to adam that was something that i

1389
00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:10,240
found interesting it wasn't amazing but

1390
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:12,240
for everyone watching this or listening

1391
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and you haven't seen it go check out

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dark encounter orbs and stuff

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00:51:21,349 --> 00:51:19,359
i might pop that on after uh after this

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00:51:24,069 --> 00:51:21,359
actually it's worth a watch you know

1395
00:51:24,660 --> 00:51:24,079
it's worth a watch yeah for sure show

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our adam

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[Laughter]

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so

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this kind of brings us to the end of the

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show it always goes way too fast and i

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00:51:34,950 --> 00:51:33,040
always have way too much stuff written

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00:51:36,870 --> 00:51:34,960
down uh i wonder if andy has this

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00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:36,880
experience when he's uh

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00:51:42,549 --> 00:51:41,109
um so

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00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:42,559
as we start to wrap up i just want to

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00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:45,760
tell you guys about the raffle um dave

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00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:47,920
here added an awesome prize i'm just

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00:51:52,549 --> 00:51:49,359
going to share my screen and i'm not

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00:52:01,030 --> 00:51:52,559
going to click the leave studio button

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00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:02,790
okay so you guys should be able to see

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00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:04,640
that now

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00:52:10,990 --> 00:52:08,160
okay yeah so we're running a raffle um

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00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:11,000
you can get here through uh the

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urlgo.rallyup.com forward slash truth um

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00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:16,160
when lou was over in london uh

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we asked him to sign a poster that we

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could raffle off and he humbly obliged

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00:52:25,589 --> 00:52:22,800
uh we're raising money for the humane

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00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:25,599
society international and saint jude's

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00:52:30,069 --> 00:52:27,440
children's research hospital both do

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00:52:32,150 --> 00:52:30,079
absolutely vital work

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00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:32,160
we have already here uh you can see

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00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:36,000
there uh 2 255 pounds which is insane

1424
00:52:41,589 --> 00:52:39,040
and thank you everyone who's donated um

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00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:41,599
so yeah the you you buy a ticket you get

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00:52:46,150 --> 00:52:43,440
entered into raffle

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00:52:47,829 --> 00:52:46,160
every ticket applies to every prize so

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00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:47,839
each prize is kind of like a new draw

1429
00:52:51,910 --> 00:52:49,200
but if you've bought tickets already

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00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:51,920
they apply to the new prizes um

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00:52:56,950 --> 00:52:54,720
so we we have this truth poster here and

1432
00:52:59,430 --> 00:52:56,960
then the wonderful

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00:53:01,270 --> 00:52:59,440
donation that they've made is a copy of

1434
00:53:03,670 --> 00:53:01,280
flying sources from outspace by major

1435
00:53:05,829 --> 00:53:03,680
donald keyhole from 1953 and it's a

1436
00:53:08,630 --> 00:53:05,839
first edition so this is a

1437
00:53:10,390 --> 00:53:08,640
a copy with a lot of history

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00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:10,400
um davey you sure you want to give this

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00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:11,440
to us

1440
00:53:15,589 --> 00:53:13,280
yeah i've got a mass market paperback

1441
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:15,599
it's fine

1442
00:53:20,549 --> 00:53:18,480
bless you man thank you so much um

1443
00:53:23,829 --> 00:53:20,559
and yeah and enter the raffle we'll be

1444
00:53:26,710 --> 00:53:23,839
adding more prizes um we're kind of on a

1445
00:53:29,190 --> 00:53:26,720
13 or 14 day countdown now

1446
00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:29,200
so it won't be too long um and we'll

1447
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:30,800
we'll yeah hopefully go out with the

1448
00:53:35,270 --> 00:53:33,280
bang with that um i just wanted to touch

1449
00:53:36,950 --> 00:53:35,280
on my red bubble store if you're stuck

1450
00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:36,960
for christmas gifts feel free have a

1451
00:53:44,069 --> 00:53:40,160
look um olaf rockner and i this week

1452
00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:44,079
uh popped up a holiday christmas card um

1453
00:53:47,510 --> 00:53:45,680
which you can see here actually i'll

1454
00:53:51,030 --> 00:53:47,520
show you this one oh we we popped up a

1455
00:53:52,470 --> 00:53:51,040
digital version um on etsy that you can

1456
00:53:54,309 --> 00:53:52,480
send to annoy family and friends at

1457
00:53:56,230 --> 00:53:54,319
christmas and we're just use it to bring

1458
00:53:59,109 --> 00:53:56,240
up ufos where there was no conversation

1459
00:54:03,589 --> 00:53:59,119
about ufos why not um you can find that

1460
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:03,599
at tinyurl.com for slash uap santa 2021

1461
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:04,559
um

1462
00:54:07,589 --> 00:54:06,000
hold on i'm just going to click stop

1463
00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:07,599
screen share and i'm not going to leave

1464
00:54:12,790 --> 00:54:09,839
there you go perfect i'm back look at

1465
00:54:14,549 --> 00:54:12,800
that i've improved um so vinnie what's

1466
00:54:15,510 --> 00:54:14,559
coming up for you where can people find

1467
00:54:19,109 --> 00:54:15,520
you

1468
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:19,119
see in my name just here uh disclosure

1469
00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:21,280
underscore team uh you can find me on

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00:54:26,309 --> 00:54:23,440
twitter disclosure team with underscore

1471
00:54:27,990 --> 00:54:26,319
at the end or on youtube disclosure team

1472
00:54:29,430 --> 00:54:28,000
and i've got lots coming up i'm live

1473
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:29,440
tomorrow night i've got so much

1474
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:30,720
happening

1475
00:54:35,510 --> 00:54:32,640
amazing how about you dave when's the

1476
00:54:37,910 --> 00:54:35,520
new issue out um yeah we should be

1477
00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:37,920
either tomorrow or sunday obviously the

1478
00:54:42,069 --> 00:54:39,440
power cup put kai watch on things

1479
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:42,079
tonight um but yeah it's a biggie it's a

1480
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:44,160
bumper christmas and new year special um

1481
00:54:47,750 --> 00:54:45,520
you can download it free at

1482
00:54:51,829 --> 00:54:47,760
shadowsmagazine.co.uk

1483
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:51,839
over the weekend keep an eye on twitter

1484
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:54,640
shadows magazine um where i'll announce

1485
00:54:59,349 --> 00:54:56,480
when it's up

1486
00:55:01,349 --> 00:54:59,359
very cool thank you very much um so this

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00:55:03,190 --> 00:55:01,359
week on that ufo podcast coming up we

1488
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:03,200
will have a conversation with determined

1489
00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:05,119
and curious ross colton returning to

1490
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:07,440
answer listener questions uh we also

1491
00:55:10,630 --> 00:55:08,880
soon welcomed the brilliant diana

1492
00:55:11,990 --> 00:55:10,640
posalko who'll be joining us to discuss

1493
00:55:13,589 --> 00:55:12,000
the phenomena

1494
00:55:14,789 --> 00:55:13,599
um

1495
00:55:17,109 --> 00:55:14,799
the next big

1496
00:55:19,589 --> 00:55:17,119
event we have is a round table with sean

1497
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:19,599
cahill and jake mann of skyfall so don't

1498
00:55:22,950 --> 00:55:20,960
miss that keep an eye for when that's

1499
00:55:26,230 --> 00:55:22,960
gonna be uh feel free to send us

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00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:26,240
questions to ufouapam

1501
00:55:30,309 --> 00:55:27,920
gmail.com with the name of who the

1502
00:55:31,990 --> 00:55:30,319
questions for in the subject so with all

1503
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:32,000
that we're out of time for the week

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00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:33,359
thank you to dave thank you for vinnie

1505
00:55:35,589 --> 00:55:34,000
for

1506
00:55:39,349 --> 00:55:35,599
joining the show you guys are awesome i

1507
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:39,359
love you both mostly um

1508
00:55:43,109 --> 00:55:41,440
and he should be back with us next week

1509
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:43,119
uh fully energized you'll hear him

1510
00:55:47,910 --> 00:55:46,160
talking to ross either way um but yeah

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00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:47,920
that's all for this week keep looking up

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00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:49,599
you never know what you might see

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00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:51,680
that is all for this week's show thank

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00:55:55,670 --> 00:55:53,680
you very much for listening please

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00:55:58,309 --> 00:55:55,680
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00:56:00,630 --> 00:55:58,319
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00:56:04,710 --> 00:56:02,559
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00:56:08,789 --> 00:56:06,240
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